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Romney's Wife Had $3 Million in Secret Swiss Bank Account Through 2010; Not Reported in Federal Disclosure Forms

Seeded on Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:20 AM EST
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Remember how peculiar it was that presidential candidate Mitt Romney refused to release histax returns? That was predictably a non-starter. Most voters probably assume the reason he resisted was to avoid the controversy over his strikingly low tax rate.

Another factor appears to have played into this decision. The release of the tax returns shows Romney neglected to disclose some required financial information in his personal disclosure form filed with the Office of Government Ethics last year. His team apparently timed the release of his tax records with the hope that State of the Union hooplah would dominate news coverage and result in his finances getting less attention than they might otherwise. And that appears to been correct. His failure to divulge information about 23 investments, and more important his use of secret Swiss bank accounts, has been given a free pass. As Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington director Melanie Sloan observed, “Mr. Romney says the errors are minor, but then again he also claims earning $374,000 in speaking fees isn’t much money.”

This anodyne coverage in a Los Angeles Times article from last week is typical:

Some investments listed in Mitt and Ann Romney’s 2010 tax returns — including a now-closed Swiss bank account and other funds located overseas — were not explicitly disclosed in the personal financial statement the Republican presidential hopeful filed in August as part of his White House bid.

The Romney campaign described the discrepancies as “trivial” but acknowledged Thursday that it was reviewing how the investments were reported and would make “some minor technical amendments” to Romney’s financial disclosure that would not alter the overall picture….

The campaign has emphasized that Romney has paid all required U.S. taxes on his foreign funds….

Among the assets omitted is a Swiss bank account in Ann Romney’s blind trust that held $3 million until it closed in 2010. The account was listed on a financial disclosure Romney filed in 2007, but it was mistakenly named as an asset held by the couple, not as part of Ann Romney’s trust. A campaign spokeswoman said Thursday that Romney will file amendments to both his 2007 and 2011 financial disclosures to correctly identify the bank account.

That account was at UBS. Pretty much anyone who follows the financial press known of the pitched battle between the US government and first UBS, then Swiss banking regulators, over Swiss bank secrecy. The US engaged in a series of prosecutions that led one UBS unit that catered to wealthy individuals to be shuttered as part of a deal in which UBS also turned over the names of several thousand US customers that the US suspected of engaging in tax evasion. This case effectively ended Swiss bank secrecy; the efforts of the Swiss to avoid divulging the names of its customers was front page news in the Financial Times for the better part of two years.

 

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btco

Whether or not Romney has something to hide, the failure to include the Swiss account in his Federal ethics filing has him acting as if he has something to hide. Even if there was nothing technically amiss with what Romney did, having a large stash in a secrecy jurisdiction does not pass the smell test. It speaks of an intent to skirt the law even if that never actually took place.

Another example of why Mittens is out of touch with the vast majority of Americans.

Mittens is the 1%.

  • 41 votes
#1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:22 AM EST
Jarhead In WIExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

btco,

Is the left actually going to lecture about tax evasion? Tell you what, I believe the standard has been set based on all of Obama's appointee's that if you are caught cheating the IRS you pay the penalty and all is forgotten and forgiven.

Isnt that right Mr. Timothy Geithner (Treasury Secretary), Mr. Ron Kirk (White House Chief Trade Officer), Ms. NancyKillefer (Chief Performance Officer), Husband of Lucida Solis (Secretary of Labor), Gov. Bill Richardson, Sen. Max Baucus, Gov. Sebelius.

Apparently Romney's accountant uses Turbo Tax just like Geitners?

Say whatever you want but the fact is that the left is riddled with tax cheats and you want to hang it on Romney as though your side is a bunch of lilly white innocents. BULL@!$%#!

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:11 AM EST
btco

Jar,
Got anything to say about the Swiss bank accounts the Romney's failed to disclose?

How does it make you feel when you see this kind of @!$%# done by Romney?

Do you like it when Presidential candidates like Romney stash funds in tax havens?

  • 39 votes
#1.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:22 AM EST
Steve Watts

Is the left actually going to lecture about tax evasion?

Considering I and presumably BTCO haven't evaded our taxes, yeah, I'd say we have the moral high ground to call out Romney for it. Guilt by association fallacy.

  • 33 votes
#1.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:30 AM EST
TooManyPuppies

Jarhead In WI

You do know the lefts so called tax problems, we found out by Obama's vetting team? YOU DO KNOW THEY TURNED THEMSELVES IN.. right? That was the entire point of it.

ANd here is what the right calls tax evasion

The International Monetary Fund (IMF), an international agency and his employer during the time in question, did not withhold Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax, but instead reimbursed the usual employer responsibility of 50% of these taxes to employees who were subject to the taxes. Geithner had received the reimbursements and paid the amounts received to the government, but had not paid the other 50% which would normally have been withheld from his pay.

get that? payroll taxes wasnt taken out of his check for a short period of time. He forgot to include those payroll taxes in his tax forms.

The right love to scream how complex our tax code is and then they call mistakes like this FRAUD. which was found by an INTERNAL AUDIT OF THE OBAMA TEAM.

Now lets contrast accidentally forgetting about payroll taxes which are normally paid for you versus hiding your money in a known tax cheat haven for the purpose of actually avoiding taxes.

wow

Either way jarhead, it doesnt matter the party or person cheating taxes. IT is wrong. But Romney wants to be president. do you have evidence that the current president is a cheat?

didnt think so.

  • 30 votes
#1.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:36 AM EST
Jarhead In WI

btco,

Yeah, it bothers me, just like it did when I saw those on the left doing it, just like it did when I saw douchebag Republicans like Daschle get dinged for it. However, I saw the left sitting awfully quiet about tax cheats when I saw Obama nominating one right after another for Secretary jobs and the left trotting out excuse after excuse to forgive and to forget.

steve watts,

Save that "guilt by association fallacy" argument bull@!$%# for someone that is buying it.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:45 AM EST
btco

Yeah, it bothers me,

Then why deflect with the whole but they all do it line of @!$%#?

This is all about Romney, his wife and their Swiss bank account they failed to disclose. It has nothing to do with Getiner (who I hate) or any other person on either side of the asile.

It has EVERYTHING to do with Romney and his looking just like the picture I put in this article - a sleazy @!$%#.

  • 22 votes
#1.6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:52 AM EST
Steve Watts

Save that "guilt by association fallacy" argument bull@!$%# for someone that is buying it.

Don't dismiss a valid point simply because you don't understand it, Jarhead. You're claiming that tax evasion by a few members of the left taint the entire party and render all of us unable to criticize tax evasion. It's textbook guilt by association.

(The irony here is that if you apply your argument in reverse, then tax evasion by Romney renders you unable to criticize Geithner.)

So as I said: I haven't cheated on my taxes, so I can criticize Romney all I want. I could criticize Geithner too, but this thread isn't about Geithner, so I'm not.

  • 22 votes
#1.7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:58 AM EST
Louie Lou

Love love LOVE the picture!!!! LMAO!

  • 12 votes
#1.8 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST
hard2port

Now that's what I call a cookie jar. Just the tip of the iceberg for upcoming financial disclosures on Mitt. He's toast.

  • 14 votes
#1.9 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST
Royal Lancer

Is it's such a small thing not worthy to report, I'll be happy to relieve him of the burden.

  • 10 votes
#1.10 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST
JKiff

So $374,000 "isn't much" and $3,000,000 is "trivial." I wonder what Mr Romney would consider to be "alot of money." That $3,000,000 that he, oops, forgot about is more than the average American will earn in an entire lifetime. And that's just one of his many investments.

Sure, he can relate to Americans, right? (/s)

  • 14 votes
#1.11 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:46 AM EST
Thinknaboutit

It seems to me this is an article aboutthe financial dealings of someone who wants to be POTUS. The comparrisons to others who have discrepancies in their financial dealings are out of place unless you are talking about someone who wants to be, is, or has been a POTUS. More relevant would be the financial dealings of Romney/Gingrinch/Santorum/Paul/Obama and nobody else.

  • 8 votes
#1.12 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST
82AllAmericans

Ahh come'on... can't a girl have her mad money account...

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM EST
Randy McMurphy

I love how the leading repubbie candidates decry President Obama as wanting to turn us into Europe ,meanwhile, Romney is supporting middle class jobs... in socialist Switzerland, and Newts private life reads like a hedonistic frenchie polticians...oh the delicious irony...

  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:07 PM EST
Rorschach-558483

The Romney campaign described the discrepancies as “trivial”

$ Three million may be trivial to Romney, but it sure isn't to me.

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:34 PM EST
mountainmike-1199289

Thank you for the seed article. I have this nagging feeling that Romney is going to get the GOP nomination no matter what, his vice presidential candidate will be a concession to the Teapublicans, and he will then deconstruct over his tax returns.

An undeclared account utilizing a loopholes leaves a gaping wide open door for inquiry. What else is suspicious? Can Mitt innocently say that he chose a Swiss bank and a Cayman Island bank at random for investment purposes only when in fact these are the two overwhelming favorite locations for tax evaders. And my wild guess here is that the banks themselves have set up a scam to make tax evasion accounts look like plain old investment accounts.

  • 9 votes
#1.16 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:14 PM EST
bigboyj

So, who cares.... I don't care if hes tucked away Billions, if your a friend of this administration you don't even have to pay taxes... and someone please shut the ludicrous hypocritical Warren Buffet the hell up... he owes bunches but then again hes a useful idiot and probably one of the reasons the pipeline wasnt approved due to his ownership of a certain railroad... cant make no money if a pipeline carries it can you !!!

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST
Andy Ritch

Relax. The money is just campaign funds tucked away in the Alps.

  • 2 votes
#1.18 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:37 PM EST
btco

So, who cares....

Yet you seem to care what other people do who are NOT running for office like Buffett, why not Romney?

  • 7 votes
#1.19 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:38 PM EST
lib50

Whats the matter, bigboy, getting the sick feeling the teapubs are going to have a few problems in November? I don't blame you for being nervous. Just wait til the last decade of Romney's tax returns get released.

  • 7 votes
#1.20 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:40 PM EST
mountainmike-1199289

It would matter to big boy in a heart beat if all of this was about Obama. It would instantly become a Republican talking point. Then we would never hear then end of it.

  • 9 votes
#1.21 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:04 PM EST
Heavy Artillery Rocker

The release of the tax returns shows Romney neglected to disclose some required financial information in his personal disclosure form filed with the Office of Government Ethics last year.

I really hope this article wasn't meant to shock us, c'mon ethics in government? Rich folks with ethics?

The Romney campaign described the discrepancies as "trivial" but acknowledged Thursday that it was reviewing how the investments were reported and would make "some minor technical amendments" to Romney's financial disclosure that would not alter the overall picture….

Yeah if we paint a lie over it no one will notice the other lie.

"Mr. Romney says the errors are minor, but then again he also claims earning $374,000 in speaking fees isn't much money."

Tut, tut my good man, I'm quite sure the common man will clearly see how that amount of money could so easily be overlooked. I mean that's barely over a quarter of a million! The absurdity of it all to even consider that amount as money, Bhu-haw-haw!

  • 4 votes
#1.22 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:43 PM EST
Jumpmaster82

BTCO,

Hey I wanted to read this story, but with time limited,

I did get to see the Romister on stage with the Donalator,

The picture is worth a 1000 words. I feel like I read the whole thing.

But in fairness, she probably had just forgotten about it, No biggy!

  • 1 vote
#1.23 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:45 PM EST
APPGMRcom

$3,000,000.00 in a Swiss Bank account?

Is there an app for that?

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:03 PM EST
luckydog

Mere pocket change to the Romney's. Off course you could overlook it.

  • 7 votes
#1.25 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:04 PM EST
michelle-1073610

Lucky dog, you stole my thunder! LOL, 3 mil. why that's just pocket change to the Romeny's, besides his accoutants did it, not his fault!

  • 3 votes
#1.26 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:11 PM EST
Rhazes

Why is Romney doing business with the bank that handled Bin Laden's finances and ignores U.S. sanctions and helps Iran.

  • 8 votes
#1.27 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM EST
ArchaeuS

That is one fantastic picture!

  • 1 vote
#1.28 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:15 PM EST
Michael in S J

Hey Jarhead - the difference between a tax cheat and tax payer error:

I have been associated with, and a friend, of one of the most successful commercial real estate developers in Silicon Valley for almost 35 years. This individual has the HIGHEST of ethics, has never cheated anyone in a deal and has a reputation unstained by ANYTHING. I would list his accolades over the last 35 years but then you would know who he is.

His tax bill is always in the seven figures and while he (as told to me) will bitch if the tax rate once again rises to 39%, he recognizes it is his duty as someone who can pay his fair share to do so. (He registers as a Republican but votes his conscience.)

So, last year the State of California Franchise Tax Board, looking for every possible $ they can find to help with out budget, demanded an audit of a property that was acquired in the late '80s and sold in 2005.

He spent over $100,000 in accountants and tax attorneys responding to the audit and in the end it was discovered that his accountant had misclassified a capital improvement as a current expense. The total amount of the additional tax he owed was less than $35,000 and his accountants were not asked to pay any of the penalties and interest because he signed the return as accurate.

So, was my friend a tax cheat - no, or a tax payer who employees well qualified accounting and law firms to handle his taxes and they made an error.

Kind of like Geitner, who found out the IMF didn't pay the EMPLOYER's half of FICA which every employee assumes is paid by his employer is not a TAX CHEAT!

_________________________

Apologies for the long rant!

  • 6 votes
#1.29 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:48 PM EST
bigboyj

So how many Tax cheats are in the current administration.... got your calculator handy or better yet how many are in the democratic establishment or can you calculate that !!!

  • 2 votes
#1.30 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 12:40 AM EST
Reply
Brian-497171

The things this greedbeast has uttered in the last few months are astoundingly anti-working class.

I will be amazed if he is elected.

  • 16 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:06 AM EST
brian-2960723

Mitt records at Bain Capital reflect his statement about GM and auto industry. Let them die, and investor like Mitt comes in and buy these companies on a penny for a dollars to make a quick profit as he was at Bain Capital, where he brought companies, then fired workers, reduce their wages, shipped jobs oversea, workers lost their pension, health insurance, etc. while Mitt and his elites friends made a quick profit. Then Mitt opened 23 accounts oversea to avoid paying U.S tax rate.

Mitt Romney has the same statement with home foreclosure.

Mitt has the same statement about the poor and working American.

Mitt is a corporate raider, a wall street investor, who care nothing but his personal wealth and 13.9% tax rate and Swiss Bank account

  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:08 PM EST
mountainmike-1199289

Well, the big picture here is take a good look at Mitt's lifestyle. He's a multi millionaire, unemployed, making millions of dollars off of investments every year, after inheriting wealth. While I am not going to take issue with him being Mormon in and of itself, but I can't ignore that the Mormon culture is all white with NO womens' rights up to an including polygamy. All of this adds up into one big, fat question to Mitt - can you even relate to average Americans, the diversity that is now in America, to womens' rights, and to many Americans that have become the working poor.

  • 6 votes
#2.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:09 PM EST
Heavy Artillery Rocker

Absolutely...I mean of course....I mean maybe, how about you elect me and I'll put a little gift in your bank account. Then I'll change the law so that the working man won't have to worry about electing a president. We (the rich) will do it for you. K?

  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:53 PM EST
bigboyj

I would rather Mitt swoop in with Bain Capitol and tear GM apart through private company utilization then the dictator Obama swoop in with his taxpayer billions and hand it to the unions... and by the way why hasn't GM been made to pay the taxpayers back or at least sell a few volts that doesn't explode !!!

    #2.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 12:44 AM EST
    btco

    Big, Glad to see you put decent paying jobs and decent Americans under the leveraged buyout bus. Yeah, it's always better to strip companies bare in the pursuit of profit for the few.

    • 1 vote
    #2.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:49 AM EST
    bigboyj

    well see this is an argument for the "NOW".. Because after the unions totally get rid of the manufacturing sector and ship all our jobs off to some foreign country what will the unions represent... oh the public sector where tax dollars flow endlessly like a golden fountain spewing water into a pond of utopia !!!

    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 5:11 PM EST
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    John Shriver

    You are correct, btco, this is about Romney and his wife evading taxes and then giggling and saying it was a mistake. Don't they know that they are solely responsible for their tax returns, no matter who fills in the blanks. Having $250 million to shuffle around is a brain taxing effort for them and they firmly believe they are above the tax laws but then, so did Al Capone.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM EST
    JKiff

    Hey now! Alphonsus at least had the courtesy to give away free food and clothing to people after the '29 crash. He even opened several soup kitchens in Chicago to feed the poor. Let's not confuse a theiving, lying, tax-evading, untrustworthy, power-hungry, sociopathic freak... with a mere Chicago gangster.

    lol

    • 6 votes
    #3.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST
    Thinknaboutit

    How many think Capone would make a better POTUS than Romney?

    • 4 votes
    #3.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:29 AM EST
    Minan59

    How many think Capone would make a better POTUS than Romney?

    I don't think he would be any worse. That is for sure!

    • 1 vote
    #3.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:45 PM EST
    brian-2960723

    Look at history, have American ever elected a president like Mitt Romney who pay just 13.9 % tax rate and Swiss bank account to avoid pay his tax rate here in U.S? How is Mitt going to share with 300 million American about fair share and responsibility as citizen when he's not? In fact, he called them envy or class warfare. Is Mitt on the side of working American or his elites friends?

    • 6 votes
    #3.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:47 PM EST
    determined0a1

    brian,

    Governor Romney lives from his investments.

    Pls. don't try to fool anyone here.

    All powerful people (like the Dems) have elite friends.

    • 3 votes
    #3.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:50 PM EST
    Heavy Artillery Rocker

    Sure and the less tax he pays on those investment the better off he lives. Its still theft no matter how you try to candy coat it. That alone should restrict him from running for office.

    And yeah Capone probably would've made a good POTUS, he may have been a lot of things but he was honest about all of it.

    An' if you'se didn't like it, maybe da boys would come 'round an' have a lil' chat.

    • 3 votes
    #3.6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:00 PM EST
    Reply
    Marcel Villa

    The wife's account has nothing to do with Romney. It is nobody's business but hers alone if she wants to or not to disclose her financial standings. She is not the candidate.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:13 AM EST
    Ripley8

    so , if are you saying the right wouldn't jump on a story in the same vein had it been Michelle Obama ?

    of course it has to do with Romney .. the return was filed jointly !

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/24/news/economy/Romney_tax_return/index.htm

    • 17 votes
    #4.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:20 AM EST
    hugh b

    hey rip, no fair bringing conservative hypocrisy into the discussion...

    • 13 votes
    #4.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM EST
    JKiff

    Right... and what did Mrs Romney do to earn that money? Do you honestly expect us to believe that that is "her" money that she earned, and not Mitt's money that he placed under her name to avoid scrutiny?

    Really?

    Really?

    If you believe that, then you'll find this fascinating: Did you know that if you Google the word "gullible" you'll get zero results. Honest. Try it.

    • 7 votes
    #4.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:56 AM EST
    FLYNAVY1

    The wife's account has nothing to do with Romney. It is nobody's business but hers alone if she wants to or not to disclose her financial standings. She is not the candidate.

    Lets not forget the problems the right had with H. Clinton's investments back in the 1990s... Hell, they started three congressional investigations over it, it was only on $300,000, and over and done with before Bill was even a candidate for the office of the presidency.

    the Clintons themselves were never prosecuted, as three separate inquiries found insufficient evidence linking them with the criminal conduct of others

    • 9 votes
    #4.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:07 AM EST
    real michaud

    the republicans always point the finger at someone else for exactly what they are guilty of., but of course their holier than thou rightwing evangelical voters just love it....because they are "once saved...always saved"

    • 5 votes
    #4.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:13 AM EST
    Buckeye Voter

    It is nobody's business but hers alone if she wants to or not to disclose her financial standings.

    You're wrong. The federal financial disclosure form requires one to list their spouses investments as well as their own. Married couples are linked, financially. It's not optional.

    • 12 votes
    #4.6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:20 AM EST
    brian-2960723

    @ marcell villa,

    really? you got to be serious?

    • 3 votes
    #4.7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:50 PM EST
    mountainmike-1199289

    Not anyone's business IF it isn't a married couple working as a team to pay the smallest amount of family income possible to taxes, which is obviously the case. If this was Michelle's bank account we were talking about, the right wing Republicans would be all over this news story.

    • 5 votes
    #4.8 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:13 PM EST
    common sense-353470

    If this was Michelle's bank account we were talking about, the right wing Republicans would be all over this news story.

    Fox news would have a permanent banner running at the bottom of the screen that they would play along with the Solyndra one.

    The empty headed yet vicious Fox hosts would be spewing endless criticism of Michelle Obama using this faked up bit of "news" to rally the right wingnut mobs. We would see footage of protests of millions in front of the White House... Fox would say the views of the green lawns and trees in February the dead of winter were from yesterday's spontaneous rally against Michelle Obama.

    • 6 votes
    #4.9 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:57 PM EST
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    bmx mom-902413

    BTCO, you do realize it was listed in his tax filing and he paid all his taxes. It was not listed on his disclosure forms filed whan running for office. You also realize his assets are in a blind trust administered by someone else and it was that person who opened the swiss bank accounts, not Romney personally. His wifes assets are also in a blind trust, so it was not a secret account.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:14 AM EST
    btco

    Whether or not Romney has something to hide, the failure to include the Swiss account in his Federal ethics filing has him acting as if he has something to hide. Even if there was nothing technically amiss with what Romney did, having a large stash in a secrecy jurisdiction does not pass the smell test. It speaks of an intent to skirt the law even if that never actually took place.

    Just thought I would repeat the quote I posted in the first comment here. Something I agree with 100%.

    Failure to disclose this on Romney's part may have been an oversight, but it certainly stinks to high heaven.

    • 9 votes
    #5.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM EST
    bmx mom-902413

    If he managed his investments himself, I would agree with you, but he does not. He did not open the account, his administrator did. Mitt has no idea of all his investments since someone else does it for him and they are probably moved around regularly and could be different any given week.

      #5.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM EST
      btco

      Maybe Mittens needs to fire some more people. He seems to do that better than these pesky little disclosure forms that show SWISS @!$%#ING BANK ACCOUNTS.

      • 7 votes
      #5.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:11 AM EST
      trm2008

      http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/25/mitt-romneys-potential-political-problem-with-blind-trusts/

      http://stevedeace.com/news/national-politics/three-more-romney-lies-and-counting/

      Romney wasn't completely honest about the "blind trust".

      • 2 votes
      #5.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:30 PM EST
      bmx mom-902413

      I see speculation in both those blogs, nothing more.

        #5.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:50 PM EST
        trm2008

        I see speculation in both those blogs, nothing more.

        Big surprise there.

        • 1 vote
        #5.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:24 PM EST
        Reply
        hugh b

        so now we are criticizing Mrs Romney about her "pin" money, come on people!

        • 6 votes
        Reply#6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST
        Emmadadog

        Perhaps hugh, it is her egg money. She's saving to get her new home slip covered.

        LOL

        • 3 votes
        #6.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST
        mountainmike-1199289

        Soccer mom's slush fund? ( ^ :

        • 3 votes
        #6.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST
        common sense-353470

        Oh come on you petty liberals - it's only $3 million!

        • 2 votes
        #6.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:59 PM EST
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        tesla013

        A politician ANNNNDD a business man trying to hide his money?? Why I'm.........Well who would??...........I mean...............Who has ever heard of that?

        • 4 votes
        Reply#7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM EST
        Ron West-513664

        I just got paid and after writing my checks for bills, I have a little over $100 left. Tried to get in touch with an accounting firm as to which Swiss bank to put it in but their fee was more than my balance. I guess I'll just send it to the Treasury to make up for the taxes that the "unemployed" like Romney can't part with. Oops! Scratch that idea. Just noticed an accounting error. I'm actually overdrawn by $100 with next payday 2 weeks off. Pawn shop, here I come!

        • 7 votes
        Reply#8 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM EST
        hugh b

        lol, damn those accounting errors

        i just heard about a new fee at american banks, it is an INK fee...any time you write a deposit slip, or endorse a check in the bank, you have to pay for the ink, no @!$%# really, i heard that....

        • 2 votes
        #8.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:47 AM EST
        Thinknaboutit

        any time you write a deposit slip, or endorse a check in the bank, you have to pay for the ink,

        I suppose they would waive the fee if you offer to sign with your own pen?

          #8.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:28 PM EST
          Jensen-576947

          Yep, 20 dollars isn't much, unless you don't have it and you are hungry.

          • 2 votes
          #8.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:26 PM EST
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          JonAlexanderDeleted
          real michaud

          Slick Willard will be the first internationally banking backed Republican Romoney in american history...the first foreign back presidential candidate ever....thank you Citizen united..just thank you

          • 4 votes
          Reply#10 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST
          Jimster

          Slick Willard

          ROTFLMAO!!

          Good one!

          • 4 votes
          #10.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:53 AM EST
          Reply
          Gray Alan

          All of you people are missing a huge point here. Mitt Romney is a man who became wealthy by tearing companies apart, firing employees, selling off their assets and pocketing huge amounts of cash while they moved companies and jobs overseas. If the business wasn't closed completely, the employees that did manage to survive had to take huge pay cuts. That is what Bain does. Only a moron would think that a guy who specializes in vulture capitalism is going to fix the middle class problem in this country. What Mitt's job is going to be if he were to get into the White House is to make capital gains zero, so he won't have to hide money in Switzerland, and none of his Rich friends will ever start a real business again. They will live life large on investment interest only, with nothing coming out in taxes from them, it will all come from the little guys. The only businesses they will start here are pawn shops and payday loan scams.

          Are you people totally clueless?

          • 10 votes
          Reply#11 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:13 AM EST
          Fed up with Republicans

          If the Romney family is all red white and blue economically why are they hiding their money overseas.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#12 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:33 AM EST
          bmx mom-902413

          They are not hiding it and it is all listed on their tax forms. Ever heard the word diversify?

            #12.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:49 PM EST
            AMERICANA2

            Same for the bushes, (chimp jr & daddy evil, maybe jebby) and cheney and rumsfeld, etc...hiding the money overseas.

            • 1 vote
            #12.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST
            btco

            They are not hiding it and it is all listed on their tax forms. Ever heard the word diversify?

            Said tax forms that Romney did not want to show until his hand was forced, saying his incomplete disclosure forms that DID NOT include said Swiss account left out.

            What's the saying......looks like a turd, floats like a turd, smells like a turd......

            • 2 votes
            #12.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:43 PM EST
            Fed up with Republicans

            You call it what you want but if a dope dealer or other criminal puts assets over seas it is called hiding.

            • 1 vote
            #12.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:54 PM EST
            bmx mom-902413

            Of course he didn't want to show them, all the leftys are having a field day vilifying him because he's rich. Why give them more ammunition. As long as he pays what the IRS says he owes, I could care less what he does with his money or how much he has. Funny thing is how the left holds Warren Buffet up as a shining example of a wealthy person who thinks he should pay more, yet hasn't settled his tax debts from 2002-2009. He thinks the wealthy should pay more because he doesn't pay his own taxes so it won't bother him.

              #12.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:58 PM EST
              Fed up with Republicans

              Is Warren Buffet hiding some money over in Swiss Banks.

              • 2 votes
              #12.6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 6:20 PM EST
              btco

              I don't recall Buffett being on the GOP ticket for President either.

              • 1 vote
              #12.7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:22 PM EST
              bmx mom-902413

              No, he's not on the GOP ticket but President Obama is constantly citing the Buffet rule which is hilarious when you think about Buffet making his Billions basically the same way as Romney and pay the same tax rate as Ronmey, but Romney gets villified and Buffet is held up as a shining example yet he hasn't paid his taxes and is fighting them with the IRS and Romney paid his.

              • 1 vote
              #12.8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:25 AM EST
              bmx mom-902413

              Oh and Fed Up, Romney wasn't hiding it, the swiss accounts were listed in his tax return. I have no idea where Buffets money is, he could very well have millions in swiss bank accounts also.

              • 1 vote
              #12.9 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:27 AM EST
              btco

              Yet Buffet is not running for office.
              Romney did NOT DISCLOSE his Swiss accounts on his required financial disclosure forms, then looked like a total hypocrite as he refused then caved on his tax records. THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!

              The other @!$%#ed up thing here is Buffet is actually suggesting we roll back the welfare we give in the tax code to folks like himself and Romney. While Romney supports a plan to shift the tax burden off of himself and his fellow 1%ers and having the rest of us pay for his tax breaks. It's totally insane. To see people support this is FUBAR! Total FUBAR.

              • 3 votes
              #12.10 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 3:45 PM EST
              determined0a1

              Why the surprise?

              Your side wanted the "disclose" of the taxes. Gov Romney is in the clear and anyway......the pinching of the nose is valid at the time of voting.

              • 2 votes
              #12.11 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 11:33 AM EST
              btco

              Your side wanted the "disclose" of the taxes.

              What side? Gee I seem to remember a few of the fellow clowns running on the GOP ticket calling for Romney to follow what every candidate has done for decades, including his own Daddy!

              • 2 votes
              #12.12 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:51 AM EST
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              Simon Templar-791084

              Truth is I have no idea why we are skewering Mitt Romney for taking advantage of his opportunities within the confines of this economic system I get the fact that he is a duplicious politician who will pretend to be the opposite of what he is to get elected. However if you pull back from partisanship for a moment you will see he is just like the other few hundred federal legislators who have made millions from the system and are independently wealthy. There is not a poor person on the planet who could run for president, O'Bama included... so this is just another situation where both sides will use any discrepancy or hypocrisy to create negative press on the opponent.

              Much ado about nothing!

              • 1 vote
              Reply#13 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:26 PM EST
              btco

              Much ado about nothing!

              If you like your Presidential candidates depositing their wealth made while operating a leveraged buyout shop in tax havens, then yeah much ado about nothing.

              Now if you prefer to see something other than this kind of bull@!$%#, it's a big deal.

              • 3 votes
              #13.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST
              Simon Templar-791084

              I get it btco, but to wag the proverbial finger in disgust at Romney without acknowleging the outright prevalence of hiding money abroad amongst politicians is not genuine at best.

              I say much ado about nothing because he is one of many, too many to count, and on all sides of the political spectrum.... yet we raise it here as a personal indictment of his ability to run a country or his credibility when it is representative of neither.

                #13.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:02 PM EST
                btco

                yet we raise it here as a personal indictment of his ability to run a country or his credibility when it is representative of neither.

                So then, we can condemn what did you call him? "O'Bama? ... but we cannot mention the simple fact that Romney stashed more money than 99% of us will make in a decade or two in a tax haven? Got it!!!

                • 2 votes
                #13.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:47 PM EST
                Simon Templar-791084

                lol btco, I do get your emphatic responses.

                We are not here talking about equity in negative commentary amongst politicians, we are however speaking about how agregious a particular act may be and if there are any true connections between that act and a person's ability to govern.

                Romney is but one of many very rich politicians who exploit loopholes to hide money and lower ther AGI. Practically every member of congress , the president's cabinet, heads of government agencies are all millionaires most of which assuredly do the same thing. In fact it is so ingrained within our culture to hide money from Uncle Sam that the everday person hustles to find tax shelters and ways to move money out of the federal government crosshairs. So to sit up here and whine about Romney and his millions even withstanding his professional capacity with Bain Capital is totally hypocritical and shortsighted.

                Lastly, what the heck does hiding money in Swiss Accounts have to do with one's ability to effectively govern a country? lol

                It's nuts, don't fall into the partisan rhetoric that has you angry and outraged about every little thing ... most of which has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on whether or not this individual is capable of executing the functions of Pres of the US. I am not a repub nor a dem, just a person with an objective perspective.

                • 1 vote
                #13.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:25 AM EST
                btco

                It's nuts, don't fall into the partisan rhetoric that has you angry and outraged about every little thing ... most of which has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on whether or not this individual is capable of executing the functions of Pres of the US. I am not a repub nor a dem, just a person with an objective perspective.

                Nope, I can and will call attention to the fact that Romney failed to disclose his cash on his election filings. I will call out Romney for his actions when he ran his leveraged buyout shop.

                This kind of crap has everything to do with how he will govern and the impacts his choices will make on Americans if enough of us buy into his campaign. Romney supports the Paul Ryan budget plan, the same plan that allows for even greater shifting of wealth up the economic ladder. The plan that benefits those who hold Swiss accounts on the backs of the rest of us.

                His background at Bain also shows us his take on certain issues. His actions there and his words on the campaign trail all feed into the notion that "shareholder value" is the main reason companies exist. That a CEO's main purpose is to increase shareholder value.

                Well, we are in a world where that kind of thinking has led to the life cycle of a business in America to shrink from over 50 years down to less than 8 years.

                Romney supports the views that have led to this....

                A paper by John Graham and Campbell Harvey of Duke University and Shiva Rajgopal of the University of Washington, published in December 2005 in the Journal of Accounting and Economics, found that 78% of more than 400 executives interviewed admitted that they had sought to smooth earnings between quarters at the expense of long-term value.

                I am not happy with all that Obama has done, nor am I happy with Congress and it's insider trading, purchased elections and the like.

                Yet, here is an article about Romney, his Swiss bank accounts and the taint that these accounts create. So much taint, that Romney has decided to close his Swiss accounts. What the hell is wrong with discussing Romney and his actions? Why not talk about it directly?

                It is Romney who is running his campaign as a proven "executive", a man with "experience" in the private sector. Part of that "experience" is shifting his money to tax havens. You bet your ass we get question those actions and call him out for it. His choices are part and parcel of the views that will shape his platform and agenda should we be stupid enough to elect him. To say otherwise is in my opinion, really short sighted.

                • 1 vote
                #13.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 10:10 AM EST
                Simon Templar-791084

                btco, I do believe you have selective anger, and it's highly partisan. If you want ot judge Romney on the merits of a financial plan that impacts all of us then do so. But do not sit here and extrapolate the instance of his financial dealings and try to use it as a referendum on the legitimacy of his integrity. If he were in a vacuum and the only person doing this, I would agree with your outrage.. but it's totally ironic how your misplaced anger completely excludes all of the democratic congrssmen and women, who routinely use legislative rulings to make investment choices , then keenly sock the money away in swiss accounts so it cannot be taxed. You are purposely ignoring the hundreds of democratic legislators who routinely take money from large corporations who donate money to and from obscure PACS all hidden under the watchful eye of the feds whilst they themselves have "hard to prove" links to thiese not for profits which routinely send them financial disbursements , which most assuredly they take and hide. So why does y9ur whining stop at Romney?.. when the entire field of participants including the sitting president have all benefited from a flawed system. Now suddenly you want to make this a litmus test on the credibility of a presidential candidate... it's totalloy ridiculous and partisan based.

                AS for his work at Bain capital, I say use it... analyze it... make it a factor in yiour decisions but to sit here and demonize this guy ( who I do not agree with anyway) over his work history at a company whose goal it wasa to make money to the detriment at others is specious at best too... but at least it is more legitimate then this whole hiding money in Swiss accounts BS.

                Most of all stop betting your ass on rhetorical questions..lol Save some of it for the election cycle and more substantive issues. Just know most of the individuals involved in our government at the highest levels, regardless of political affiliation have all benefited from hiding money abroad... they would be stupid not to do so when they know it is a legal way of securing your financial assets. lmao Give it a rest.

                I have to laugh at the selective outrage.

                • 2 votes
                #13.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:09 PM EST
                btco

                I have to laugh at the selective outrage.

                Selective as in I totally think Romney is a @!$%#ty choice based on Swiss bank accounts, Bain bull@!$%#, and all the rest, yepper, I still bet my ass.

                Yeah, we need to get the money out in a lot of different ways, yeah Geitner sucks, yeah Obama's given a pass to a lot that I think shouldn't have gotten a pass. Yet the stink coming from Romney "corporations are people too my friend" is by far the worse. It is the same stench that is in WI, OH, FL and my state of Michigan. Enough of the GOP @!$%#, it really stinks. They have jumped off the deep end. Their whole agenda is propping up the second rate losers who can't turn a profit without gaming the system.

                At least with the Democrats we have a slight chance at change, we get something. Like a health care bill that covers millions, though if there was enough support from real people like me or you, maybe we would have an even better law in place. If enough of us stood together and fought back against @!$%# stains like Romney, if enough people told the Democrats - hey we got your back - we will vote for you if you do the right thing - they will do it. That is what this is all about for me. Standing up and telling Obama or my Senator Debbie Stabenow - we got your back - now do what is right by us and we got your back. That is how the new deal was passed, enough people had Roosevelt's back. That's how we got Glass Stegall. That's how this changes.

                So no, I will not give it a rest. @!$%# that noise. Resting means @!$%#s who hide money in Swiss accounts and made millions sucking the life out of companies get to buy the Presidency. Not with my support. I got the Democrats back and hopefully others do too.

                That was highly partisan of me to say don't you think? ;-)

                  #13.7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 9:11 PM EST
                  Simon Templar-791084

                  lol BTCO, highly partisan indeed.

                  There are some relevant sentiments in your vehement protest. I do agree that Dems are working to put forth an agenda that on balance will benefit the aggreggate of the population in this country. I have not seen any new, relevant or meaningful ideas outside of "disagree with Obama" tactics from the right. However , here is where we differ.....I believe the personal issues we are using to substantiate the validity of political officials on either side are meaningless. The outrage over Romney's Swiss Account money, without then pointing the finger at the other 400 federal legislators who do so, is hypocritical. Any person raised in a capitalist society, who has been bred to believe that making money and protecting it is a smart endeavor.... would obviously entertain the idea of having Swiss accounts....it only makes good common sense and is hardly illegal.

                  Lastly, I would not pat Dems on the back for Health Care Legislation, it is a step in the right direction but the bill is heavily laiden with garbage put in by the Repubs which to some degree lessens the true impact of this bill. Dems caved to get something passed, and the something that got passed, is hardly tantamount to sweeping reform.

                  I would say continue being an objective thinker that does not justify every issue based on party affiliation. Be able to step back and look at the big picture. Allow your mind and political perspectives to be shaped by the issue alone and not by partisan rhetoric.

                  Cheers!

                    #13.8 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 7:20 AM EST
                    btco

                    Cheers back!

                    From one hypocrite to another!!!

                    Lastly, I would not pat Dems on the back for Health Care Legislation, it is a step in the right direction but the bill is heavily laiden with garbage put in by the Repubs which to some degree lessens the true impact of this bill. Dems caved to get something passed, and the something that got passed, is hardly tantamount to sweeping reform.

                    Not enough of us had their backs, that's what happened. That's why. We allowed the right wing nuts like Palin spread lies about Granny dying without enough outcry.

                      #13.9 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:17 AM EST
                      Simon Templar-791084

                      Did I contradict myself? lol

                      I agree with the Dem plan for health care reform in it's pure untainted initial offering. My political thought does not run along partisan lines though, it is more an issue based analysis. Whereby I put every issue through my own personal filter without focussing so much on which side of the isle my thoughts fall. I don't believe I been hypocritical in my writings on this site at all... however if you think so... help me understand why.

                        #13.10 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:41 AM EST
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                        determined0a1

                        In jealousy there is more self-love than love. ~François, Duc de La
                        Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 1665

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#14 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:30 PM EST
                        btco

                        This is not about jealousy. It's about Swiss bank accounts.

                        • 5 votes
                        #14.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:33 PM EST
                        IndependentVoter

                        Illegal?

                        No...get over it.

                        • 3 votes
                        #14.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:37 PM EST
                        Reply
                        Flashypaws

                        you people seem to think she was hiding it from the i.r.s.

                        lol.

                        silly nubs.

                        she's hiding it from the mormon temple.

                        ...

                        ..

                        .

                        and it came to pass that thine temple door was opened and bright light filled the great hall. and the people said in unison... "wtf?"

                        :|

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#15 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:33 PM EST
                        IndependentVoter

                        Mittens is the 1%.

                        So what? He is rich..get over it.

                        Listening to the left lecture on tax evasion would be like attending a martial fidelty class from Bill Clinton.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#16 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:34 PM EST
                        determined0a1

                        Add to the list of forgetting to pay their taxes Rep Rangel and Senator Tom Daschle.

                        • 2 votes
                        #16.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:52 PM EST
                        hard2port

                        "Listening to the left right lecture on tax evasion would be like attending a martial fidelty class from Bill Clinton Newt Gingrich."

                        • 3 votes
                        #16.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:56 PM EST
                        blue wolf

                        So...he doesn't represent the rest of us.

                        Get over it.

                        He's a wishy-washy, duplicitous, job destroying, hypocritical GOP candidate for the presidency.

                        • 3 votes
                        #16.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:57 PM EST
                        IndependentVoter

                        True.

                        So what?

                        • 1 vote
                        #16.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:57 PM EST
                        blue wolf

                        So don't vote for him. Vote for Obama (he wants to see these loopholes closed)

                        • 3 votes
                        #16.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:08 PM EST
                        IndependentVoter

                        Try and keep up. I have already stated that I am not voting for any current GOP candidate.

                        Name the loopholes....

                        • 2 votes
                        #16.6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:14 PM EST
                        btco

                        Name the loopholes....

                        Carried Interest. You know the income Romney received for investing in his leverage buyout firm, Bain Capital.

                        • 3 votes
                        #16.7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:58 PM EST
                        IndependentVoter

                        Not legal?

                        • 2 votes
                        #16.8 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:23 PM EST
                        Reply
                        PattyNC

                        So does that mean the IRS is going to audit the Romneys? Wasn't the IRS after these rich people about 4 years ago, about having off shore accounts and hidden monies. I guess the super rich doesn`t think the our laws applied the to them. Only the little people pay their taxes.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#17 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:52 PM EST
                        IndependentVoter

                        Romneys tax return is correct...why audit...he paid the legal tax that he earned both foreign and domestic.

                        How is it hidden if it is reported on the tax return....????

                        Only the little people pay their taxes.

                        Yawn

                        • 3 votes
                        #17.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:56 PM EST
                        determined0a1

                        How much worth are the Clintons?

                        They started with nothing at all.......the rest is history.

                        • 2 votes
                        #17.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:03 PM EST
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                        Mitsy-475766

                        Actually, I'm kind of glad that Romney & Gingerich are running. Obama needs more time to help sort out the mess that Bush left him. The only other candidate they could add would be Palin. Romney & Gingerich are not a whole lot farther up the pole of confidence by a lot of people. People like Romney & Gingerich have no clue how the average working class person lives. The paycheck to paycheck lifestyle is NOT one either of them have been accustomed to. They need a reality check about how they come off to people. I'm not saying Obama is perfect but he is far better than any of the Republicans I've seen so far.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#18 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:35 PM EST
                        IndependentVoter

                        At what point does Obama run out of excuses?

                        • 3 votes
                        #18.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST
                        determined0a1

                        Our gracious President and/or his friends wanted the job.

                        • 3 votes
                        #18.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:07 PM EST
                        Mitsy-475766

                        Unemployment is going down. Obama is NOT perfect, but we don't need to go back to the Bush years. Have people really forgotten already?

                        • 3 votes
                        #18.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 9:11 AM EST
                        determined0a1

                        Have people really forgotten already?

                        Many are missing GWB every day since January 2009.

                        • 3 votes
                        #18.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:49 PM EST
                        btco

                        Many are missing GWB every day since January 2009.

                        I suggest trying Texas, the C Student retired there and they have the D Student running the state.

                        • 3 votes
                        #18.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:13 PM EST
                        Mitsy-475766

                        BTCO,

                        LOL Good one. :)

                        • 1 vote
                        #18.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 11:58 AM EST
                        determined0a1

                        Gore/Kerry both had inferior grades than the student from Texas.

                        • 2 votes
                        #18.7 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:21 PM EST
                        btco

                        What were the three branches of gubmnit again.........?????? "Oops"

                        Enough said.

                          #18.8 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:32 PM EST
                          Reply
                          lisaed

                          Add to the list of forgetting to pay their taxes Rep Rangel and Senator Tom Daschle

                          Deter: And TREASURY SECRETARY Tim Geithner. And on and on.

                          • 3 votes
                          #19 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:45 PM EST
                          btco

                          You are here bitching about Geitner, yet you have nothing to say about Romney's little Swiss account?

                          Deflect much?

                          • 4 votes
                          #19.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:01 PM EST
                          IndependentVoter

                          Romneys swiss accounts are legal.

                          Get over it....

                          • 4 votes
                          #19.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:02 PM EST
                          KitKat51

                          They may be IV.

                          Failure to disclose them, if I understand the article, is not.

                          • 7 votes
                          #19.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:09 PM EST
                          TheyreAllCrooks

                          Yes they are legal (but not disclosing them isn't exactly) and it's also legal for him to say "the 99% are envious of the 1%", and it's also legal for him to say he's not interested in helping poor people...

                          ...and this is why he won't be legally elected POTUS!

                          He has no clue what average Americans go through...he's never been there, done that and his pompous attitude says it all!

                          That's why he's doing what he does best...flip flop, which is exactly what he did today!

                          • 4 votes
                          #19.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:14 PM EST
                          Andy Ritch

                          As I recall, this is what they said about John F. Kennedy.

                            #19.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:19 PM EST
                            TheyreAllCrooks

                            Yes, well Kennedy won't be doing anymore flip flopping - but Romney certainly will.

                            • 2 votes
                            #19.6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:39 PM EST
                            trm2008

                            Romney objected to blind trusts when he was running against Ted Kennedy. Of course, Romney takes every side on every issue at one point or another.

                            http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=49109

                            "The blind trust is an age-old ruse," Romney told the Boston Globe in October of that year. "You give a blind trust rules. You can say to a blind trust, don't invest in properties which would be in conflict of interest or where the seller might think they're going to get an advantage from me."

                            • 5 votes
                            #19.7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:39 PM EST
                            lisaed

                            btco: And what...are you trying to defend tax evader Geithner? And did you know that Obama's new Chief of Staff also spent time working at Bain. What is it you're trying to say anyhow?

                            • 3 votes
                            #19.8 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM EST
                            btco

                            lisaed, I only pointed out your blatant attempt at deflection.

                            • 5 votes
                            #19.9 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:51 PM EST
                            lisaed

                            Btco--I call it pointing out inconvenient facts. You call it deflection.

                            • 3 votes
                            #19.10 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:46 PM EST
                            Don Overton

                            However, lisaed, your facts have not one thing to do with this seed so your facts, such as they are, are nothing more than a deflection.

                            • 1 vote
                            #19.11 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:04 PM EST
                            Randy McMurphy

                            I wasn't aware Geithner was running as a candidate against the incumbent president in 2012...anybody else??? And FYI I would say that if Romney didn't pay a portion of taxes due to overseas living and working as Geithenr had, that would be more forgivable than hiding millions of his foreign held fortune overseas...

                            • 2 votes
                            #19.12 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:10 PM EST
                            lisaed

                            Don--a deflection? Maybe. But still Facts? Yes.

                            • 2 votes
                            #19.13 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:12 PM EST
                            lisaed

                            I wasn't aware Geithner was running as a candidate

                            Randy: He's not. But the man who appointed the tax evader to head up our Treasury Dept is.

                            • 2 votes
                            #19.14 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:13 PM EST
                            btco

                            Don--a deflection? Maybe

                            Nope, total and complete. Too bad, I expected something better from you. Oh well, I guess you gotta go with what you can.

                            So about Romney and his Swiss accounts? How's about that hundred million plus in medicare fraud one of his leveraged buyout shop investments paid for crimes committed while he and Bain were in charge?

                            Anything? Anything?

                            • 1 vote
                            #19.15 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:36 PM EST
                            lisaed

                            btco--there's nothing illegal vis a vis Swiss bank accounts. Got a link that says otherwise?

                            Re: Medicare fraud? Provide a link please. Here's one I found:

                            Bain Capital bought Damon Corp. in 1989, when Romney was at its head. The firm in 1996 agreed to pay a $116 million fine after pleading guilty to overbilling Medicare from 1988 through 1993, according to PolitiFact. Romney was never charged with wrongdoing.

                            http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/politics-elections/207127-opponents-tie-romney-to-medicare-fraud

                            And what have you to say about this:

                            http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/two-major-obama-fundraisers-donor-tied-to-mexican-fugitive-report-20120206

                            • 2 votes
                            #19.16 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:53 AM EST
                            determined0a1

                            And now because the Dems were discovered in the 2008 Presidential race, our gracious accepted the PAC

                            • 2 votes
                            #19.17 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:26 PM EST
                            lisaed

                            our gracious accepted the PAC

                            Determined: The Grandstander in chief (his hypocritical condescending trashing of our Supreme Court at SOTU aside)was always going to accept the help of the super pacs....particularly his Priorities USA---set up for obama re-elect by Bill Burton his former deputy press sec. Obama time and again likes to pretend he holds positions for political expediency that he does not hold.

                            • 3 votes
                            #19.18 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:05 PM EST
                            determined0a1

                            Watching once White Collar a TV show, I learn about the "small contributions".

                            • 2 votes
                            #19.19 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 8:59 PM EST
                            btco

                            Bain Capital bought Damon Corp. in 1989, when Romney was at its head. The firm in 1996 agreed to pay a $116 million fine after pleading guilty to overbilling Medicare from 1988 through 1993.

                            Romney's firm OWNED the company DURING THE TIME THE FRAUD WAS COMMITTED.

                            Rick Scott was never charged for his crimes.

                            Just saying......

                            • 1 vote
                            #19.20 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 9:16 PM EST
                            lisaed

                            btco: What exactly did Romney do wrong? I want evidence. Given he was charged with NOTHING you know you've got nothing but dirty inuendo.

                            • 3 votes
                            #19.21 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:25 AM EST
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                            determined0a1

                            Complaining about the wife of the Gov Romney is like the support of a millionair, worth $340,000,000.00 protesting in Wall Street;

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#20 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:24 PM EST
                            btco

                            Gee, did you miss where they file jointly?

                            Maybe the part where the failure to disclose this on Mittens financial forms to the Office of Gov. Ethics is a no no?

                            • 5 votes
                            #20.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:50 PM EST
                            TheyreAllCrooks

                            Oh come on btco, it's hard getting all that paperwork straight when you got blind trusts here, Swiss accounts there, Cayman Island funds there, it can get very confusing - most Americans understand this, because most Americans have the same problem every tax year.

                            That's why I hired a Blind Guy to manage my funds...

                            • 3 votes
                            #20.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:00 PM EST
                            IndependentVoter

                            He will file the correction and move on...not unlike amending a tax return found to be in error....

                            Romney paid the appropriate and legal tax on his income. Get over it.

                            His tax return is correct.

                            He hid them alright..in his tax return....

                            • 4 votes
                            #20.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:01 PM EST
                            btco

                            Oh come on btco, it's hard getting all that paperwork straight when you got blind trusts here, Swiss accounts there, Cayman Island funds there, it can get very confusing

                            I know right! It is insane! I for the life of me cannot remember all those pesky little speaking fees I collected over the last year, let alone all my bank accounts. I mean it was such a small amount in that Swiss account. With me being an unemployed corporation and all, life is hard. Why I'll bet you ten thousand dollars I lose at least one pair of flip flops in my newly expanded home!!!

                            • 5 votes
                            #20.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:12 PM EST
                            TheyreAllCrooks

                            OK, I'll raise you 1OK, that my blind trust guy is blinder than your blnd trust guy!

                            • 5 votes
                            #20.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST
                            IndependentVoter

                            it's hard getting all that paperwork straight when you got blind trusts here, Swiss accounts there, Cayman Island funds there

                            In your dreams

                            • 1 vote
                            #20.6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:23 PM EST
                            btco

                            OK, I'll raise you 1OK, that my blind trust guy is blinder than your blnd trust guy!

                            How about we bet our Cayman accounts on who has the blindest blind trust guy?

                            LOL!!!!

                            • 4 votes
                            #20.7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:53 PM EST
                            TheyreAllCrooks

                            Deal, but if I win I get Rick Perry's ranch too!

                            Seriously, Romney is a hot mess! He can't go 24 hours without flip flopping over something...his handlers have got to be the biggest drug and alcohol abusers in the country by now!

                            That crap about the poor and the saftey net - he's said that at least 10 ther times...but now that he's running for POTUS, "I mispoke"...same thing with his finances.

                            • 1 vote
                            #20.8 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:00 PM EST
                            bmx mom-902413

                            btco and Theyreallcrooks, you two crack me up! Great sense of humor.

                              #20.9 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:03 PM EST
                              Randy McMurphy

                              That crap about the poor and the saftey net - he's said that at least 10 ther times...but now that he's running for POTUS, "I mispoke"...same thing with his finances.

                              to quote the great thinker, Rick Perry...OOPS!!!

                              • 3 votes
                              #20.10 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:13 PM EST
                              btco

                              Deal, but if I win I get Rick Perry's ranch too!

                              Ah hell you all can have it....as long as you let Cheney take Romney, Newt and what the hell....I forgot his name already....oops.... out hunting!

                              It's truly amazing, Bachman, Perry, Santorum, Paul, Newt, Cain, and rounding out the clown posse is Romney. No wonder Romney's in the lead!!!

                              This is the best the GOP could do? My dog leaves better stuff in the yard.

                              • 2 votes
                              #20.11 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:32 PM EST
                              determined0a1

                              Mrs. Romney has MS. Therefore it's better to have to money already in Switzerland than to buy Swiss Francs.

                              • 2 votes
                              #20.12 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:29 PM EST
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                              leonthecat

                              Willard = .001%

                              Willard = toast.

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#21 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:03 PM EST
                              IndependentVoter

                              I have to admit..I am amazed at how people can demonize someone who is rich and follows the tax laws....

                              Yet some of the left honor a man that is found guilty of 11 ethics violations regarding tax laws...while he was in charge of writing them....

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#22 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:02 PM EST
                              Don Overton

                              I have to admit....I am amazed at how people can demonize a Black President of the United States of America with racist taunts and lies while he steadily brings the country back from brink of economic disaster caused by a totally incompetent past President who those people worshiped and bowed to.

                              • 8 votes
                              #22.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:05 PM EST
                              IndependentVoter

                              And this as what to do with Romneys finances? ????

                              • 6 votes
                              #22.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:11 PM EST
                              Fed up with Republicans

                              Don

                              If Obama were white they would be singing his praises and already carving his likeness on Mount Rushmore.

                              But because he is not a WASP they ridicule any and all of his accomplishments including the killing of Osama Bin Laden.

                              • 4 votes
                              #22.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:00 PM EST
                              IndependentVoter

                              If Obama were white they would be singing his praises and already carving his likeness on Mount Rushmore.

                              Wow..that was good for laugh...he would be just as incompetent if he were green.

                              But because he is not a WASP they ridicule any and all of his accomplishments including the killing of Osama Bin Laden.

                              No...I gave him great praise for getting Bin Laden.

                              • 2 votes
                              #22.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:23 PM EST
                              btco

                              I have to admit..I am amazed at how people can demonize someone who is rich and follows the tax laws....

                              I find it amazing someone who ran a leveraged buyout shop, socks money away in tax havens, and steps in his own tainted crap every other day is the top of the pack for the GOP this year. It's utterly amazing.

                              Romney did not disclose it on his required financial forms. We would have never known that Romney had an account with a Swiss bank if he had not been pressured by the other idiots on parade in his own party to release his tax return. Did you miss the whole what was it 5 minutes of flip flopping he did in the debate over his taxes?

                              • 1 vote
                              #22.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:42 PM EST
                              bigboyj

                              oh please... you wanna go down the transparency trail then lets talk about your precious Democrats... do you need to count the impeachable offences that your pack of hounds have amassedover the years and just has soon has there is a shred of decency in the attorney generals office you ll see these things come to bear.... All Romney has to do is pick Mark Arubio for VP then Juliani for Attorney general then say hes going after the corrupt side of Washington and there would be a landslide victory for the GOP...

                                #22.6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:46 PM EST
                                btco

                                oh please... you wanna go down the transparency trail then lets talk about your precious Democrats..

                                Lets' stick to the topic at hand today shall we????

                                How about you tell us about Romeny's little Swiss account?

                                Maybe shed some light in why he is such a great choice?

                                Is it the Wall Street money that is flowing into his campaign?

                                Is it his experience seeing a company he ran under Bain pay 119 million in fines for Medicare fraud?

                                Maybe it's his idea that corporations are people too?

                                Do you agree with him that increasing "shareholder" value is the bottom line for a company?

                                His record sucks and he steps in his own @!$%# on a regular basis. Romney is a cruel joke.

                                  #22.7 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 8:34 PM EST
                                  Reply
                                  IndependentVoter

                                  Romney will not be elected.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  Reply#23 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:16 PM EST
                                  lisaed

                                  Romney will not be elected

                                  Independent: Oh no? Then who will?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:48 PM EST
                                  IndependentVoter

                                  Unless the GOP makes some changes...Obama will win re-election. You think a current GOP candidate can beat Obama?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:55 PM EST
                                  lisaed

                                  Unless the GOP makes some changes

                                  IV--Such as?

                                  You think a current GOP candidate can beat Obama?

                                  Yes.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #23.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:58 PM EST
                                  IndependentVoter

                                  Changes: Perception in politics is reality. The GOP are allowing themselves to be painted as racist bigots, homophobs, etc.

                                  Which candidate can beat Obama?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:19 PM EST
                                  determined0a1

                                  You think a current GOP candidate can beat Obama?

                                  If the s...ugar stinks, one pinches the nose.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #23.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:43 PM EST
                                  lisaed

                                  IV---primary season is always tough on the challenging party. Don't lose the faith.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #23.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:14 PM EST
                                  Reply
                                  leonthecat

                                  Romney will not be elected.

                                  No @!$%# Dick Tracey.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#24 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:48 PM EST
                                  IndependentVoter

                                  You are vocabulary challenged?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #24.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:57 PM EST
                                  Reply
                                  lambnlions

                                  Well, you know what's said? If it looks like a cheat in the small stuff, its probably going to be a cheat in the big seat (stuff) too.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  Reply#25 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 7:07 PM EST
                                  Robert Bartholomew

                                  Have they checked under the Romneys' mattress yet? I suspect they may a few extra $million or 10 shoved in there.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  Reply#26 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 7:10 PM EST
                                  Randy McMurphy

                                  Wasn't it a Republican that wanted inasive rectal exams for women having unrelated medical procedures? Maybe they could exand that to include hedge funders running for high office, we might find some gold deblumes all up in his business!

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #26.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:19 PM EST
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